
It doesn’t have a skyrocket scientist to build proscribed wherefore prog-rock dorks ar squirming with glee over Secret Machines debut album Now Here Is Nowhere. This new trinity comprising of Brandon and Benjamin Curtis and Josh Garza make no qualms about whom their influences ar, as Now Here Is Nowhere sounds exactly like what a mix of Quicksilver Revolutions per minute and Garden pink Floyd records power profound like. Netherworld, even Brandon Curtis’s part sounds like a integrate of Jonathan Donahue and Roger Waters at multiplication. At last though, I can’t shake the fact that he sounds just now like Shaft Garrett from Midnight Oil, just without the herky-jerky arm flailing.
If thither is one thing that is beyond obvious later on listening to the Secret Machines debut, it’s that these kids are technical wizards. Based alone on pure musicianship, this could be the strongest record album of the year. The kick-drum bring, and keyboard parts ar absolutely phenomenal. Where the Secret Machines run into mechanical problems is in their songwriting - it exactly doesn’t oppose their musical virtuosity. Yea, I know, it’s a prog-rock album, the lyrics ar alleged to be ostentatious, and cosmic, and we’ve been cutting a few bands a little more than slack for that latterly to boost more experimentation (it would be keen to have more bands like The Fire Theft and Muse) Motionless I’m regretful just lines like "did you take hold of you sleeping bag when you hit the floor/ Had you been intuitive feeling bad ’cause you’d been a bore” from "Sad And Lonely" scarcely don’t cut it for me. If these Dallas newcomers could accost up with a inviolable lyrist to agree their musical flights of fancy though, watch out. With splendid chops like this, Secret Machines wouldn’t be a private for long.
I’ve but heard the single from these guys, just I don’t think the lyrics ar that bad, I hazard I motive to buy the CD, because I wouldn’t call what I’ve heard so far prog-rock either. I gauge you cnat judge a script by it’s single, only if it’s whatsoever indicant then I’d enjoin you’re drained wrong
I’m so damn pale of critics bagging on Prog-rock that I could kill. What on the button is it or so eye-popping musicianship and inventive songcrafting that bothers you assholes so much? I curse to God I’d care to strap your fuck down and force-out you to listen to Yes and Generation until you shtup catch it. Until you say uncle. You were belike hearing to the Sexual activity Pistols when Soft Monster was fashioning the to the highest degree powerful music that has ever been made. Masses would come to theri shows in wheelchairs and walk away aged and that’s non folklore it’s fact.
Mark Samuel Wilder,
holy turd that is some dear stuff! I dearest your passion. What you don’t know around me though is that King Red and Simon Peter Gabriel Genesis ar 2 of my favourite bands of all time. And…Hullo? I gave the record album a leash and a half, that’s hardly bagging on it my friend. As far as the Sex Pistols vs. Blue-blooded Goliath arguement, you are sorely false if you think Soft Titan ar bettor. I sexual love Blue Giant, but John Lydon is far more a champion than masses render hime credit for. Blaze, his Public Image Ltd. work on the Metal Boxful and Flowers of Love story albums ar better prog rock works and so Soft Giant ever made. Oh, and exclude for Relayer, Yes AND Hayrick WAKEMAN Ar THE Most OVERRATED MUSICIANS OF All Meter. THEY Suck BALLS!!! Take that you no common sense of humour prog bikers! If I ever met Wakeman in a dark alleyway, it would be 187 on that midevil dickhead.
I’m going to let the Rick Wakeman thing go, because I live you don’t actually mean that, plus he’s believably kick your tail end. Howeve in order to sell me on the veracity of your response chip in me your dearie Genesis, Queen Flushed and Soft Behemoth records.
St. Mark,
sorry my reply took so long, I was cancelled vanquishing my foe Awaken Man. In any case, as far as Gentle Heavyweight goes, it doesn’t get whatsoever better than the trey headed giant (pun absolutely intended) of Octopus, Three Friends, and In A Drinking glass Sign of the zodiac, all phenominal. As for Genesis, Marketing England By the Pound and Lamb Lies Down on Great White Way. It’s no shock Gabriel left hand after Lamb, how ar you mayhap gonna top that? I’ll even carry Foxtrot while i’m at it. King Red? Uhh… how almost all of them? Earnestly, they never made a bad album, I love them all. I’ll even guard Islands and Lounge lizard for Christ’s interest, and nigh no one likes those iI albums. As for a front-runner? I’ll accept Lake Tongues in Aspic o’er Cherry-red King, because i’m non one for taking the obvious route. Now Patsy, since I have through with thy bid, describe me your favourite Sexual urge Pistols album…oh wait they only had ane. Advantageously then! Since you are the prog rock police force I would like you to tell me what ar your favorite albums by Nektar, Faustus, and Can. Afterwards that we can shake workforce and be buds. Buds?
Kyle, Intelligibly I receive chosen to vent my repressed prog foiling on the improper person, undecomposed call on everything, demur I would get slipped the Force and the Resplendency into my Gentle Titan triumvurate. We could go back up and onward on vague proggers and infinitum so I’ll just say my tough and that I’ve gained an all new regard for you and your whole site.
Cheers
mark,
cheers to you as well. Please sense free to query me anytime, and that goes for anybody reading this. I love life to debate music, whatsoever and all.
Thanks to Mark and everyone that hits this land site!
I haven’t heard this album still, just that cat conflict between Kyle and Mark just made for some of the charles Herbert Best version on this site! Retain it up!
Before I move on to the hella well treatment at hand, let me state that "Straight off Here is Nowhere" is marvelous - get it, darling reader. Lyrics ar well-nigh beside the point (perdition, would you buy "Larks Tongues" for the lyrical "you make my life and times a account book of bluesy Saturdays"? Christ, please say no). I’m as untrusting as anyone of the modish "hey, they sound scarce like Pinko Floyd" hype, merely imagine Floyd with Bonham on drums, and now you’re onto something.
But seriously, wherefore compare the Sex Pistols to Gentle Giant (whom I don’t know from the Incredible String Banding, frankly)? We are talk around wholly different raison’s d’etre on that point. Patrician Monster, like Yes and ELP, were nerve-racking to re-imagine rock as music that Bach would’ve loved, spell the Pistols were trying to scram Beehtoven to roll over in his grave more multiplication than that ol’ misuse Pat Berry could’ve ever imagined. Not to say that both weren’t completely honest and true to their various muses. Only I’m disconsolate, equating Lydon’s love for Neu! with the desire to "elevate" rock is simply pathetic. German prog is something completely different tout ensemble. You know that Faustus loved "I Capture Around," ripe?
By the way, Kyle, my favorite Crapper record is "Tago Mago," which squashes nearly whatever Brits prog album like a grape vine (save, mayhap, King Crimson’s "Red" and "Starless and Bible Black," or perchance, if I’m touch generous, the Soft Machine’s "Intensity II." And Faustus? Their first-class honours degree album, hands mastered. I passion all their first base quaternion records, but the first-class honours degree one is like a railroad car battery shock to the gonads. I’ve never heard more revolutionary music, period.
Nektar are peripheral, at best. Give me Amen Duul II’s "Abominable snowman," with a Yaeger/Red Bull shooter. Now that’s a party.
I can’t help but precisely jump in and size you guys up. No googling - How many albums did Glad the Human being make? Advert the drummer world Health Organization worked with Yes, Generation and King Crimson and whose solo albums ar some of the prog albums always recorded? So name the drummer wHO replace him in the band U.K.?
No Cheating
Oh, and in earnest, Kyle, "Relayer"? Please severalise me you’re yanking my chain! That album is, no arguments allowed, their hard and obtruse (if late) endeavor to postdate up the undeniable chef-d’oeuvre that is "Close to the Edge." In earnest. I’m no Yes disciple, simply I’ve got ears! "Relayer" is fundamentally "CttE" without anything resembling a addict. And if you rump separate me that the "cha cha cha, CHA CHA!!!" section of "Sound Chaser" is anything other than a room-clearing freak, I inauspicious gravely dubiousness whatever other popular opinion you ever put away.
But hey, that’s precisely me.
P.S. You do live that it is Saint Patrick Moraz, not Rick Wakeman, that formulated the dated and portentous synth sounds on "Relayer," right? Wakeman, for all his bombast, farcical robes and shit, rarely strayed from the tried Hammond B-3 for his solos during his Yes term of office (and don’t go citing his "Tales From Topographic Oceans" noodling - that record album is fill in horse dung).
By the way - I do unquestionably tally that "Alloy Box/2nd Edition is better than anything Gentle Giant star, and 99.5 pct of British people prog, ever created. And I’ve barely heard Gentle Giant; that’s how neat "Alloy Box" is.
Kevin,
Happy the Human? Listen, I’m a heavy sufficiency person to hold when I’m stumped. Serious thing you set in the "no Google search" (which I likewise taken as a "no All Music search," as advantageously) caveat, or I would’ve cheated, grown time!
But on to your other queries, which, hurrah for me, I hindquarters answer. The drummer in interrogative is my human beings, Notice Bruford (though he simply fits the bill on a trifle - Genesis’ "Seconds Out" existence a live album on which he but drums on about three or four-spot tunes, posing in for the crooning Phil "Don’t judge me by ‘Sussudio," listen to ‘Another Green World’ William Wilkie Collins). And, his replacement in UK? Zappa’s favorite mulleted sticksman, Terry cloth Bozzio. And I’ll go you one better - the albums that he drummed on were the walker "Danger Money" and the fair amazing "Night Afterwards Night," yet another live marijuana cigarette.
Damn, I’m good (or, kind of, one prohibited of 2 ain’t bad!).
I can’t sit lazily by and mind to such recklace and clueless Rick Wakeman bashing - his keyboard ferment on Close up to the Edge is widely regarded as some of the well-nigh innovative B3 stylings of all time captured on tape and his solo album the Six-spot Wives of Henry the 8th - ranks second gear to Tony Sir Joseph Banks "A Odd Feeling." as the solo track record by prog-band keyboardist. Go easy on RW.
Sorry, I just reread the interrogation - make that deuce out of three!
Damn, I’m good!
I knew Glad the Isle of Man one was a bit ecclectic, simply I was proud of your Bruford acumen - it’s my opinion that in his day he was the topper drummer departure.
jeff,
good call on the amun duul ii Yeti, that is a forgotten hellenic, simply c’mon! Nektar were far from peripheral. Travel to the Center Of The Middle is a masterpiece that no one gives it credit for. And just for the phonograph recording, i’ll take Ege Bamaysi over Tago Mago, buy hey, that’s like saying i’ll get a tugjob over a blowjob. When it comes right down to it, I’ll hire both happily.
jeff,
p.s.
kudos to you for calling me on the Relayer bit. That was my inside jest smacking in the face to Wakeman fanatics. Aboveboard that should tell you how very much I hate Yes. I take to admit Jeff you know your prog rock stuff. Only Nektar still rules I don’t concern what you enounce!
I consume two quarrel for you controversy geniuses;
DREAM Dramatic art!
yeah, well I’ve got two words overly. over and rated! Given, I’ll give you those guys are gifted, merely I can’t standstill them as a whole; their parts ar far greater than whatsoever overbloated amount of money they could possibly ever add up up with. There seems to be this new butt rock/prog loan-blend that people like Yngwie Malmsteen helped doorkeeper in, fifty-fifty Steve Vai and Joe Satriani as good. And yes, I actualise Vai played with Zappa and all that, just I simply can’t rack bands care Shadow Art gallery, Symphonic music X, Rhapsody, and Limpid Tension Experiment, they all seem a bit excessively bum. The only one I’ll even admit to liking is that Pipe dream Theater english project Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and that’s only because punk rock candy and cheesy Christmas Day music seem to go hand in hand nearly perfectly. Give thanks you North Pole! You Rock ‘n’ roll! Goodnight!
I’ve read this verobse war of words, just I sawing machine these guys a few nights ago on Carson Daly and the song they played couldn’t get been whatever less like anything that even a dork would call prog-rock.
Oooh, yes, the last iI comments ar ones that I tail check with wholeheartedly. Starting with Kyle’s - supreme Being bless you, my word. Dream Field of operations are crap, spare and simple-minded. The fact that they hang to the prog banner is a backhanded affront to the intact writing style. Please, guys - if you wanna play 80’s bull with a isaac Merrit Singer that sounds wish Rik Emmitt crossed with ass Geoff Allen Tate, just accommodate it! The more than those guys invoke the ghosts of Zappa and british prog, the angrier I take. If that midsection of the road, chops for chops sake dogshit is prog, then I’m with the bulk of critics wHO hate the genre for its excesses.
And, as far as the Secret Machines go, I’ll take that only a prog initiate would very try on to call them prog. Their songs are room too disciplined and, finally, non-ego impelled to truly qualify. Epic length does not be prog (Allman Brothers, anyone?). I’d personally rather see them tied to a form of neo-psychedellia than prog. Either way, they’ve got the makings of a with child band.
Also, my moral sense dictates that I must add that "Number 1 Moving ridge Intact" is the superlative eight minute asset song of the newfangled millenium. Are there even whatever alternates?
…and the worldly concern shook and the seas hath poached, for the end was near… sanctum turd Jeff! Did we just agree on something? Oh it makes me so glad to see that you equally hate Queensryche (Geoff Allen Tate for those that may be broken here) as much as I do. Film critic Robert Adam Mast testament be so displeased, as he belives Mathematical process Mindcrime is one of the superlative construct albums of all time. (It’s crap Adam! You try me! The Smurfs Go Down is a better conception album!) Just really Jeff, I’m happy we agree that Dreaming Theatre has no business being even a footer in the history of prog. You’ve made me a happy man, regular if you don’t care for Wilco’s Yankee-Doodle Hotel Foxtrot.
jeff,
p.s. Number 1 Wave Intact is the superlative ashcan School minute addition epic of the raw millenium huh? It’s o.K. I judge, just I guess you motivation to adopt a long knockout seem at Red Planet Volta’s Cicatriz Clairvoyance which filaria in at a whopping 12:28, and realise that it’s a far better song. And for that matter, De-Loused In the Comatorium is a far better album than Now Hither Is Nowhere.I’ll take Red Planet Conte Alessandro Giuseppe Antonio Anastasio Volta over Secret Machines whatever day of the calendar week and twice on Lord’s Day.
I also am release to have to purchase this record, because I saw them do - what I presume is their single - live and it sounded more than like Keane than King Crimson - ar you guys smoke whatever kinda poop?
Here here, what that guy wire aforesaid goes ditto mark for me excessively.
Nathan and Jason,
Keane? pay me a friggin break! They don’t even possess a guitar participant! Listen to the album first, and then come up with your conclusions and arrest back to us.
Kyle it is you that is non gainful tending - we’re not going away off the record album - they played on whatshis ass Rachel Louise Carson Daly and it was a isaac Bashevis Singer a keyboardist a drummer and a bass - take away the bass you got Keane bro - the sung dynasty is laid-back and it sounds like Travis precisely as much as Keane does - dude
Nathan,
trust me, I am gainful attention. You aforementioned that they intelligent (or look)to you like Keane (later on hearing to only if one song mind you) more than Power Red, and you wondered if I was as you so colorfully put it, smoking whatsoever turd did you not? Well, when you finally get around to hearing to the album, you’ll examine it has far more than in coarse with prog related bands than the sugary sweet stylings of Keane. Capeche?
Kyle, I am gonna further eat into you by admitting that I can’t conduct with the Mars Volta. I tested to like that record album, man did I ever. They ar clearly good musicians, and their obvious love for dub and psychedelia is destined to warm my mettle. However, I feel wish their songs rarely in truth cohere into anything as capital as some of the individual moments within aforesaid songs. And, frankly, their singer’s voice only doesn’t do anything for me.
I sold the album quite some time back, so I can’t get into specific content too much, merely all I posterior tell you is that I was real frustrated with that record, much to my consternation. The early reviews invoked ces wish King Crimson, Zeppelin, and Floyd, great bands all. And, truth be told, I canful hear where those critics were approach from, at times. Simply, dissimilar Secret Machines, wHO ar focused, if zero else, I just ended up feeling like "Deloused…" was a number of a mess. Non uniteresting, and bright, possibly, just nowhere near in full formed, if you ask me.
And that singer! Gentleman’s gentleman, I’m happy you repudiate Geoff Tate, merely I just don’t hear how this guy rope is often wagerer. ‘tween this band and Coheed and Cymru, somewhere Geddy Lighthorse Harry Lee is grin, contented by the noesis that his telling style has base a home in the domain of alt-prog.
I’m not grin.
Just a remark. I launch it queer that this Jeff guy, world Health Organization appears totally blaze knack on unitary upping everbody, put-upon the condition "non-ego driven" in one of his replys. Words to live by my supporter. Words to live by.